The newbie's dilemma!

[RJK]

I haven't a clue ! ...I looked at your, (4th on this thread), post header /
Properties, that I tried to "Reply to Group" with, and just wondered if any
of it was what my OE / or MS GN server objected to with the "malformed
header" warning !

...and even though I copied and pasted in plain text, ...all that stuff is
not appearing as it does when viewing that 4th post | properties | details |
Message Source ?

regards, Richard

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Hi Richard! Thanks for posting. :)
Now - can you, or anyone else, explain just where all those
'References' have come from?
Interesting 'stuff'! (to me anyway!)
Dave

[FromTheRafters]

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Hi Richard! Thanks for posting. :)
Now - can you, or anyone else, explain just where all those
'References' have come from?
Interesting 'stuff'! (to me anyway!)

That is how usenet posts are threaded - when you crosspost,
dig up old posts, and change subject lines in the middle of a
conversation - (and use web interfaces?) things might get a
little confused.

If you have a new subject - start a new thread rather than
hijacking an old or current (different subject) thread. In fact
even if your subject is the same as the subject of the thread
the conversation may have drifted to the point that others
have chosen to ignore the entire thread - starting a new one
is the best option. This is not a web forum in the traditional
sense where you would be asked to post within a preexisting
topic structure laid out by the webmaster.

Also, replying to a post from months ago probably won't help
the person that made that post because that person has probably
moved on by then (there is no webmaster to declare a subject
as "dead" or "resolved" or whatever).

[~BD~]

Post by FromTheRafters

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Hi Richard! Thanks for posting. :)
Now - can you, or anyone else, explain just where all those
'References' have come from?
Interesting 'stuff'! (to me anyway!)

That is how usenet posts are threaded - when you crosspost,
dig up old posts, and change subject lines in the middle of a
conversation - (and use web interfaces?) things might get a
little confused.
If you have a new subject - start a new thread rather than
hijacking an old or current (different subject) thread. In fact
even if your subject is the same as the subject of the thread
the conversation may have drifted to the point that others
have chosen to ignore the entire thread - starting a new one
is the best option. This is not a web forum in the traditional
sense where you would be asked to post within a preexisting
topic structure laid out by the webmaster.
Also, replying to a post from months ago probably won't help
the person that made that post because that person has probably
moved on by then (there is no webmaster to declare a subject
as "dead" or "resolved" or whatever).

[~BD~]

Ooops! My finger slipped! Sorry!

[~BD~]

"FromTheRafters" <***@ne.rr.com> wrote in message news:%***@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

<snip>

Post by FromTheRafters
That is how usenet posts are threaded - when you crosspost,
dig up old posts, and change subject lines in the middle of a
conversation - (and use web interfaces?) things might get a
little confused.
If you have a new subject - start a new thread rather than
hijacking an old or current (different subject) thread. In fact
even if your subject is the same as the subject of the thread
the conversation may have drifted to the point that others
have chosen to ignore the entire thread - starting a new one
is the best option. This is not a web forum in the traditional
sense where you would be asked to post within a preexisting
topic structure laid out by the webmaster.
Also, replying to a post from months ago probably won't help
the person that made that post because that person has probably
moved on by then (there is no webmaster to declare a subject
as "dead" or "resolved" or whatever).

All your points noted and much appreciated FTR. Thank you.

You will recall this link which I posted for those very reasons:
http://ms-os.com/virus-information/90006-the-newbies-dilemma.html

What I had hoped was that Dan, or someone like yourself, would take the time to read, and comment
maybe on all that had gone before ......... and is now but a muddle in my head! There's a clue in
there somewhere though!

I have a mission - and was/am looking for help and/or guidance.

Additionally, it might just help others if they read the original thread. I do hope so anyway.

Dave

[FromTheRafters]

Post by ~BD~
http://ms-os.com/virus-information/90006-the-newbies-dilemma.html

I won't participate in web forums even if they're not
really forums but only usenet web interfaces.

Post by ~BD~
What I had hoped was that Dan, or someone like yourself, would take the
time to read, and comment maybe on all that had gone before ......... and
is now but a muddle in my head! There's a clue in there somewhere though!

I would have if it had been convenient for me to do so.

Post by ~BD~
I have a mission - and was/am looking for help and/or guidance.

It's hard to know who to trust, and you shouldn't base
trust on the alphabet soup in someones signature block.
You get a feel for who to trust after taking the time to
read various posts.

...and even this is no guarantee

Post by ~BD~
Additionally, it might just help others if they read the original thread.
I do hope so anyway.

Information is a good thing! :o)

[~BD~]

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~
http://ms-os.com/virus-information/90006-the-newbies-dilemma.html

I won't participate in web forums even if they're not
really forums but only usenet web interfaces.

Post by ~BD~
What I had hoped was that Dan, or someone like yourself, would take the
time to read, and comment maybe on all that had gone before ......... and
is now but a muddle in my head! There's a clue in there somewhere though!

I would have if it had been convenient for me to do so.

Such a shame you were just too busy! :-)

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~
I have a mission - and was/am looking for help and/or guidance.

It's hard to know who to trust, and you shouldn't base
trust on the alphabet soup in someones signature block.
You get a feel for who to trust after taking the time to
read various posts.
...and even this is no guarantee

Post by ~BD~
Additionally, it might just help others if they read the original thread.
I do hope so anyway.

Information is a good thing! :o)

It is! :-)

[~BD~]

Post by ~BD~

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~
http://ms-os.com/virus-information/90006-the-newbies-dilemma.html

I won't participate in web forums even if they're not
really forums but only usenet web interfaces.

Post by ~BD~
What I had hoped was that Dan, or someone like yourself, would take the
time to read, and comment maybe on all that had gone before ......... and
is now but a muddle in my head! There's a clue in there somewhere though!

I would have if it had been convenient for me to do so.

Such a shame you were just too busy! :-)

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~
I have a mission - and was/am looking for help and/or guidance.

It's hard to know who to trust, and you shouldn't base
trust on the alphabet soup in someones signature block.
You get a feel for who to trust after taking the time to
read various posts.
...and even this is no guarantee

Post by ~BD~
Additionally, it might just help others if they read the original thread.
I do hope so anyway.

Information is a good thing! :o)

It is! :-)

Do you trust RonNNN?

I heard a whisper that his daughter was converting to Islam - maybe to
become a 'sleeper'?

<shudder>

[BurfordTJustice]

"~BD~" <~BD~@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message news:4a2dnV-***@bt.com...
--
bd (david brooks of Devon)
Do you fuck children?

If so why?

Since as a "bad guy" hunter you refuse to go after
all the Pakis fucking British children one has to wonder why?

Did you fuck your own children or just others?
Do the Pakis share the spoils with you or maybe pay you off
if drugs?
Are you yourself maybe a Terrorist sleeper?

[~BD~]

The only people who make a difference ....
..... are the people who believe they can! :-)

[~BD~]

Moved to bottom post!

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Hi Richard! Thanks for posting. :)
Now - can you, or anyone else, explain just where all those
'References' have come from?
Interesting 'stuff'! (to me anyway!)
Dave

--

I haven't a clue ! ...I looked at your, (4th on this thread), post header / Properties, that I
tried to "Reply to Group" with, and just wondered if any of it was what my OE / or MS GN server
objected to with the "malformed header" warning !
...and even though I copied and pasted in plain text, ...all that stuff is not appearing as it
does when viewing that 4th post | properties | details | Message Source ?
regards, Richard

--

Hi Richard. You've no doubt noticed that when I post using Outlook Express, I'm using ~BD~ an my
'nickname'. When checking on *my* PC at the 4th in this thread, I see "References:
<***@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>". (Same as you in the first line of References)

When posting from Google Groups I use BoaterDave. On checking here, in OE, the 3rd post *all* the
References are showing in the Properties just as you have indicated.

Puzzled, I looked again at the Properties box for the post *from* OE. Then I noticed ... Doh! There
are *scroll* bars! So I copied and pasted everything I could under References: and pasted it into
Notepad (word wrap). This was the result:

References: <***@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> <Ok#FDu$***@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>
<***@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> <***@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>
<***@bright.net> <***@69.28.186.121>
<***@bright.net> <***@69.28.186.121>
<***@bright.net> <***@69.28.186.121>
<***@bright.net> <***@69.28.186.121>
<***@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> <***@69.28.186.121>
<#***@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl> <***@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>
<D9CF1052-EBB7-463E-974D-***@microsoft.com> <***@news.home.local>
<***@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>
<7648cfa1-c7aa-4247-8a84-***@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>

As far as I can tell- it is EXACTLY the same information as shown in the header from google.!!!!

Hopefully then ............. Your question "... ~BD~ 's security has been compromised ?" has been
answered in the negative (but one never knows! <wink!>

No doubt there are complicated technical reasons for showing things in a different format, but I
suspect I don't really need to know! (or do I?!!)

Dave

[~BD~]

Do you know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its servers?
TIA
Dave

<snip>

Anyone else know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its' servers?

Dave

--

[FromTheRafters]

Post by ~BD~

Do you know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its servers?
TIA
Dave

<snip>
Anyone else know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its' servers?

It may be there until the space it occupies is needed
for another message - that is the newest in pushes the
oldest out. If that is the way they have it set up, then
your question cannot be answered quantitatively.

[~BD~]

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~

Do you know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its servers?
TIA
Dave

<snip>
Anyone else know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its' servers?

It may be there until the space it occupies is needed
for another message - that is the newest in pushes the
oldest out. If that is the way they have it set up, then
your question cannot be answered quantitatively.

Thanks for your comment, FTR. However, you speculate! <wink>

Does anyone *know* the answer? Simply curious is all.

Dave

--

[FromTheRafters]

Post by ~BD~

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~

Do you know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its servers?
TIA
Dave

<snip>
Anyone else know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its' servers?

It may be there until the space it occupies is needed
for another message - that is the newest in pushes the
oldest out. If that is the way they have it set up, then
your question cannot be answered quantitatively.

Thanks for your comment, FTR. However, you speculate! <wink>
Does anyone *know* the answer? Simply curious is all.

Different group, years ago, but maybe some insight for you.

http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx?pg=2&p=1&tid=fcbd6cf1-e372-4c05-a4ef-22433579473f&dg=microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb&cat=en-us-msdn&lang=en&cr=US&sloc=en-us

[~BD~]

"FromTheRafters" <***@ne.rr.com> wrote in message news:%***@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
<snip>>>>>

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~
Anyone else know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its' servers?

It may be there until the space it occupies is needed
for another message - that is the newest in pushes the
oldest out. If that is the way they have it set up, then
your question cannot be answered quantitatively.

Thanks for your comment, FTR. However, you speculate! <wink>
Does anyone *know* the answer? Simply curious is all.

Different group, years ago, but maybe some insight for you.
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx?pg=2&p=1&tid=fcbd6cf1-e372-4c05-a4ef-22433579473f&dg=microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb&cat=en-us-msdn&lang=en&cr=US&sloc=en-us

It is most kind of you to seek out such items for my review, FTR. Thank you!

Interesting comment there from Joseph, viz

"There is no firewall on the computer ..... "

Dave

--

[~BD~]

I couldn't send this in the original thread position, so trying here!

Hi FTR.... in-line

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~
http://ms-os.com/virus-information/90006-the-newbies-dilemma.html

I won't participate in web forums even if they're not
really forums but only usenet web interfaces.

Post by ~BD~
What I had hoped was that Dan, or someone like yourself, would take the time to read, and comment
maybe on all that had gone before ......... and is now but a muddle in my head! There's a clue in
there somewhere though!

I would have if it had been convenient for me to do so.

Thank you. Maybe you will in due course!

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~
I have a mission - and was/am looking for help and/or guidance.

It's hard to know who to trust, and you shouldn't base
trust on the alphabet soup in someones signature block.
You get a feel for who to trust after taking the time to
read various posts.
...and even this is no guarantee

Hahaha! :) Maybe you'll have time to peek here:-
http://www.malwarebytes.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=5656&st=20&p=27599&#entry27599

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~
Additionally, it might just help others if they read the original thread. I do hope so anyway.

Information is a good thing! :o)

Indeed. That's what our P o l i c e told me! <wink>

Cheers

Dave

--

[BoaterDave]

Post by ~BD~
I couldn't send this in the original thread position, so trying here!
Hi  FTR.... in-line

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~
http://ms-os.com/virus-information/90006-the-newbies-dilemma.html

I won't participate in web forums even if they're not
really forums but only usenet web interfaces.

Post by ~BD~
What I had hoped was that Dan, or someone like yourself, would take the time to read, and comment
maybe on all that had gone before ......... and is now but a muddle in my head! There's a clue in
there somewhere though!

I would have if it had been convenient for me to do so.

Thank you. Maybe you will in due course!

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~
I have a mission - and was/am looking for help and/or guidance.

It's hard to know who to trust, and you shouldn't base
trust on the alphabet soup in someones signature block.
You get a feel for who to trust after taking the time to
read various posts.
...and even this is no guarantee

Hahaha!  :)  Maybe you'll have time to peek here:-http://www.malwarebytes.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=5656&st=20&p=2...

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~
Additionally, it might just help others if they read the original thread. I do hope so anyway.

Information is a good thing! :o)

Indeed. That's what our P o l i c e told me! <wink>
Cheers
Dave
--

Link updated http://www.malwarebytes.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=5656&st=40

[FromTheRafters]

I couldn't find msnews.microsoft.com listed, but this
may be of interest to you.

http://www.newsgroupservers.net/usenet_groups/article_retention_rates.htm

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~

Do you know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its servers?
TIA
Dave

<snip>
Anyone else know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its' servers?

It may be there until the space it occupies is needed
for another message - that is the newest in pushes the
oldest out. If that is the way they have it set up, then
your question cannot be answered quantitatively.

[~BD~]

Post by FromTheRafters
I couldn't find msnews.microsoft.com listed, but this
may be of interest to you.
http://www.newsgroupservers.net/usenet_groups/article_retention_rates.htm

<snip>

Thank you FTR.

An interesting read. It also reminded me of the word 'Binaries' - an expression which I simply could
not recall when making a post recently! :)

Dave

--

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Post by ~BD~
Anyone else know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its' servers?

The default rention period for MS public newsgroups is 90 days.

[~BD~]

Post by PA Bear [MS MVP]

Post by ~BD~
Anyone else know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its' servers?

The default rention period for MS public newsgroups is 90 days.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

--

Thank you, Robear :)

BD

--

[~BD~]

Post by ~BD~
Anyone else know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its' servers?

The default retention period for MS public newsgroups is 90 days.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

PABear might have mentioned that such messages are retained on Usenet for posterity - for many, many years, in fact, on Giganews!
Just an oversight, I expect! :-)
BD

Oops! I meant to add the MID

Message-ID: <ur63$***@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>

[FromTheRafters]

Post by ~BD~

Post by ~BD~
Anyone else know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its' servers?

The default retention period for MS public newsgroups is 90 days.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

PABear might have mentioned that such messages are retained on Usenet for
posterity - for many, many years, in fact, on Giganews!
Just an oversight, I expect! :-)
BD

Oops! I meant to add the MID

The question asked, was answered correctly however.

[~BD~]

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~

Post by ~BD~
Anyone else know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its' servers?

The default retention period for MS public newsgroups is 90 days.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

PABear might have mentioned that such messages are retained on Usenet
for posterity - for many, many years, in fact, on Giganews!
Just an oversight, I expect! :-)
BD

Oops! I meant to add the MID

The question asked, was answered correctly however.

I'd be grateful if you would substantiate that claim, FTR
BD

[FromTheRafters]

Post by ~BD~

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~

Post by ~BD~
Anyone else know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its' servers?

The default retention period for MS public newsgroups is 90 days.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

PABear might have mentioned that such messages are retained on Usenet
for posterity - for many, many years, in fact, on Giganews!
Just an oversight, I expect! :-)
BD

Oops! I meant to add the MID

The question asked, was answered correctly however.

I'd be grateful if you would substantiate that claim, FTR
BD

The question about a microsoft group included the "on its servers"
restriction. Had you asked about Usenet retention or Usenet archives
you *might* have gotten a different answer.

[~BD~]

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~

On Thursday, 11 September 2008 16:28:34 UTC+1, PA Bear [MS MVP]

Post by ~BD~
Anyone else know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its' servers?

The default retention period for MS public newsgroups is 90 days.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

PABear might have mentioned that such messages are retained on Usenet
for posterity - for many, many years, in fact, on Giganews!
Just an oversight, I expect! :-)
BD

Oops! I meant to add the MID

The question asked, was answered correctly however.

I'd be grateful if you would substantiate that claim, FTR
BD

The question about a microsoft group included the "on its servers"
restriction. Had you asked about Usenet retention or Usenet archives you
*might* have gotten a different answer.

You will appreciate that, at that time, I had no idea that Microsoft
Communities groups ended up on Usenet!

Confusing, eh? ....... and a real minefield! ;-)

[FromTheRafters]

Post by ~BD~

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~

On Thursday, 11 September 2008 16:28:34 UTC+1, PA Bear [MS MVP]

Post by ~BD~
Anyone else know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its' servers?

The default retention period for MS public newsgroups is 90 days.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

PABear might have mentioned that such messages are retained on Usenet
for posterity - for many, many years, in fact, on Giganews!
Just an oversight, I expect! :-)
BD

Oops! I meant to add the MID

The question asked, was answered correctly however.

I'd be grateful if you would substantiate that claim, FTR
BD

The question about a microsoft group included the "on its servers"
restriction. Had you asked about Usenet retention or Usenet archives you
*might* have gotten a different answer.

You will appreciate that, at that time, I had no idea that Microsoft
Communities groups ended up on Usenet!
Confusing, eh? ....... and a real minefield! ;-)

As I recall, retention was even less on the *test* groups on their
servers.

[~BD~]

Post by ~BD~

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~

On Thursday, 11 September 2008 16:28:34 UTC+1, PA Bear [MS MVP]

Post by ~BD~
Anyone else know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its'
servers?

The default retention period for MS public newsgroups is 90 days.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

PABear might have mentioned that such messages are retained on Usenet
for posterity - for many, many years, in fact, on Giganews!
Just an oversight, I expect! :-)
BD

Oops! I meant to add the MID

The question asked, was answered correctly however.

I'd be grateful if you would substantiate that claim, FTR
BD

The question about a microsoft group included the "on its servers"
restriction. Had you asked about Usenet retention or Usenet archives you
*might* have gotten a different answer.

You will appreciate that, at that time, I had no idea that Microsoft
Communities groups ended up on Usenet!
Confusing, eh? ....... and a real minefield! ;-)

As I recall, retention was even less on the *test* groups on their servers.

How *many* test groups do *you* think they (Microsoft) had, FTR?

[FromTheRafters]

Post by ~BD~

Post by ~BD~

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~

On Thursday, 11 September 2008 16:28:34 UTC+1, PA Bear [MS MVP]

Post by ~BD~
Anyone else know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its'
servers?

The default retention period for MS public newsgroups is 90 days.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

PABear might have mentioned that such messages are retained on Usenet
for posterity - for many, many years, in fact, on Giganews!
Just an oversight, I expect! :-)
BD

Oops! I meant to add the MID

The question asked, was answered correctly however.

I'd be grateful if you would substantiate that claim, FTR
BD

The question about a microsoft group included the "on its servers"
restriction. Had you asked about Usenet retention or Usenet archives you
*might* have gotten a different answer.

You will appreciate that, at that time, I had no idea that Microsoft
Communities groups ended up on Usenet!
Confusing, eh? ....... and a real minefield! ;-)

As I recall, retention was even less on the *test* groups on their servers.

How *many* test groups do *you* think they (Microsoft) had, FTR?

I only knew about "test" and "test.here" until somebody (you?)
mentioned "test1". "Test1" isn't on the E-S server(s) but the others
are.

[~BD~]

Post by ~BD~

Post by ~BD~

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~

On Thursday, 11 September 2008 16:28:34 UTC+1, PA Bear [MS MVP]

Post by ~BD~
Anyone else know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its'
servers?

The default retention period for MS public newsgroups is 90 days.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/

PABear might have mentioned that such messages are retained on Usenet
for posterity - for many, many years, in fact, on Giganews!
Just an oversight, I expect! :-)
BD

Oops! I meant to add the MID

The question asked, was answered correctly however.

I'd be grateful if you would substantiate that claim, FTR
BD

The question about a microsoft group included the "on its servers"
restriction. Had you asked about Usenet retention or Usenet archives you
*might* have gotten a different answer.

You will appreciate that, at that time, I had no idea that Microsoft
Communities groups ended up on Usenet!
Confusing, eh? ....... and a real minefield! ;-)

As I recall, retention was even less on the *test* groups on their servers.

How *many* test groups do *you* think they (Microsoft) had, FTR?

I only knew about "test" and "test.here" until somebody (you?) mentioned
"test1". "Test1" isn't on the E-S server(s) but the others are.

If you look here, there was *no* Microsoft 'test' group!

I wonder where it came from!

[~BD~]

~BD~ wrote:
[....]

Post by ~BD~
If you look here, there was *no* Microsoft 'test' group!

Oops! http://aumha.org/nntp.htm

[FromTheRafters]

Post by ~BD~
[....]

Post by ~BD~
If you look here, there was *no* Microsoft 'test' group!

Oops! http://aumha.org/nntp.htm

Evidently, that's not an exhaustive list.

[~BD~]

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~
[....]

Post by ~BD~
If you look here, there was *no* Microsoft 'test' group!

Oops! http://aumha.org/nntp.htm

Evidently, that's not an exhaustive list.

Do you have another one?

[FromTheRafters]

Post by ~BD~

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~
[....]

Post by ~BD~
If you look here, there was *no* Microsoft 'test' group!

Oops! http://aumha.org/nntp.htm

Evidently, that's not an exhaustive list.

Do you have another one?

No, but we both know the test group was there and yet is not listed on
that page. I was actually using the microsoft servers when I was
posting to those groups for quite a while. They didn't carry the alt.*
hierarchy so I eventually switched to motzarella.

[David H. Lipman]

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~
[....]

Post by ~BD~
If you look here, there was *no* Microsoft 'test' group!

Oops! http://aumha.org/nntp.htm

Evidently, that's not an exhaustive list.

Do you have another one?

No, but we both know the test group was there and yet is not listed on
that page. I was actually using the microsoft servers when I was posting
to those groups for quite a while. They didn't carry the alt.* hierarchy
so I eventually switched to motzarella.

There's 10's of thousands of Usenet news groups and he's asking for an
exhaustive list ?

Bwaahahahahahahahahahah

One such listing is at his bloody fingertips.

[FromTheRafters]

Post by David H. Lipman

Post by ~BD~

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~
[....]

Post by ~BD~
If you look here, there was *no* Microsoft 'test' group!

Oops! http://aumha.org/nntp.htm

Evidently, that's not an exhaustive list.

Do you have another one?

No, but we both know the test group was there and yet is not listed on that
page. I was actually using the microsoft servers when I was posting to
those groups for quite a while. They didn't carry the alt.* hierarchy so I
eventually switched to motzarella.

There's 10's of thousands of Usenet news groups and he's asking for an
exhaustive list ?
Bwaahahahahahahahahahah
One such listing is at his bloody fingertips.

Not really, he was looking at a list of microsoft.public.* hierarchy at
"aumha" which doesn't list m.p.t but does list m.p.t.h - I recall
seeing m.p.t and m.p.t.h in the list from the MS servers when I was
using them.

You're probably right though that his big NNTP service should have a
very good list of groups.

[~BD~]

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by David H. Lipman

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~
[....]

Post by ~BD~
If you look here, there was *no* Microsoft 'test' group!

Oops! http://aumha.org/nntp.htm

Evidently, that's not an exhaustive list.

Do you have another one?

No, but we both know the test group was there and yet is not listed
on that page. I was actually using the microsoft servers when I was
posting to those groups for quite a while. They didn't carry the
alt.* hierarchy so I eventually switched to motzarella.

There's 10's of thousands of Usenet news groups and he's asking for an
exhaustive list ?
Bwaahahahahahahahahahah
One such listing is at his bloody fingertips.

Not really, he was looking at a list of microsoft.public.* hierarchy at
"aumha" which doesn't list m.p.t but does list m.p.t.h - I recall seeing
m.p.t and m.p.t.h in the list from the MS servers when I was using them.
You're probably right though that his big NNTP service should have a
very good list of groups.

When last I reset my BT (Giganews) newsgroups there were over 110,000
groups listed.

One of them is microsoft.public.test1

The odd thing is, apart from a few items early on, all the rest have
been made by me - look ---> Loading Image...

I simply cannot believe that Microsoft set up that group - so who did?!!

[~BD~]

Post by ~BD~

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by David H. Lipman

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~
[....]

Post by ~BD~
If you look here, there was *no* Microsoft 'test' group!

Oops! http://aumha.org/nntp.htm

Evidently, that's not an exhaustive list.

Do you have another one?

No, but we both know the test group was there and yet is not listed
on that page. I was actually using the microsoft servers when I was
posting to those groups for quite a while. They didn't carry the
alt.* hierarchy so I eventually switched to motzarella.

There's 10's of thousands of Usenet news groups and he's asking for an
exhaustive list ?
Bwaahahahahahahahahahah
One such listing is at his bloody fingertips.

Not really, he was looking at a list of microsoft.public.* hierarchy at
"aumha" which doesn't list m.p.t but does list m.p.t.h - I recall seeing
m.p.t and m.p.t.h in the list from the MS servers when I was using them.
You're probably right though that his big NNTP service should have a
very good list of groups.

When last I reset my BT (Giganews) newsgroups there were over 110,000
groups listed.
One of them is microsoft.public.test1
The odd thing is, apart from a few items early on, all the rest have
been made by me - look ---> http://i39.tinypic.com/2rrpif6.jpg
I simply cannot believe that Microsoft set up that group - so who did?!!

I wondered if a header from one of those posts would be useful. So .....

Here's one:-

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Post by FromTheRafters

Post by David H. Lipman

Post by FromTheRafters
http://www.annexcafe.com/forums/index.cfm#11

https://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.test.here/browse_frm/month/2008-08?hl=en
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C%23kb%23gEwAJHA.4992%40TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl%3E
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/microsoft.public.security/HeXRp8yeyiU

Posts by Trolli

[~BD~]

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~

Post by FromTheRafters

Post by ~BD~
[....]

Post by ~BD~
If you look here, there was *no* Microsoft 'test' group!

Oops! http://aumha.org/nntp.htm

Evidently, that's not an exhaustive list.

Do you have another one?

No, but we both know the test group was there and yet is not listed on
that page. I was actually using the microsoft servers when I was posting
to those groups for quite a while. They didn't carry the alt.* hierarchy
so I eventually switched to motzarella.

I remember that change-over!

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.games.miniatures.warhammer/_bqt-6YIk5U/-jGVjStynfcJ

Do you know who pays the running costs at ES?